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[Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>]

Hi John,
I checked, you are right I missed that "...U_COST..." resource for Columbia. 
Hopefully I did not miss others. Fixed that in this version, the rest is the 
same.
Cheers, Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:54 AM
To: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Gustaaf Brooijmans 
<gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen 
<timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard <schwier AT msu.edu>; 
Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
Cc: Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov
Subject: RE: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] Some notes from CAM 
interviews - day 1

Hmmn... interesting... will check

-----Original Message-----
From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:52 AM
To: Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>; Gustaaf Brooijmans 
<gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen 
<timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard <schwier AT msu.edu>; 
Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
Cc: Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov
Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] Some notes from CAM 
interviews - day 1


No, that is not right.  For example, my L3 effort for FEB2 is included in the 
RLS (eg. task MGT43200) but it does not appear in your table.

                John

On 8/18/21 9:35 AM, Michael Tuts wrote:
> Unless I missed a "...U_COST..." then that is what is in the RLS 
> though
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:06 PM
> To: Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>; Gustaaf Brooijmans 
> <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim 
> Andeen <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard 
> <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts 
> <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Cc: Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov
> Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] Some notes from CAM 
> interviews - day 1
> 
> 
> You should be aware that these numbers seem quite inconsistent across L2s, 
> in particular since some show L2 and L3 management FTEs while others do not.
> 
>               John
> 
> On 8/17/21 6:58 PM, Michael Tuts wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I made a backup slide for my talk tomorrow regarding scientific (uncosted) 
>> labor (based on the July IPD file for time phased NSF FTE but filtering on 
>> "...U_COST_..." resources. The first tab shows it for L2 with a plot, and 
>> the second tab shows the detail for each WBS L3 with a list of the 
>> specific uncosted resources. Maybe this is helpful should the issue come 
>> up tomorrow - not that I expect it to, but you never know.
>> Cheers, Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:51 PM
>> To: Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen 
>> <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard 
>> <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts 
>> <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
>> Subject: Re: Some notes from CAM interviews - day 1
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So where this is particularly relevant from an EVMS perspective is that 
>> since we don't pay for scientific labor, it doesn't enter any of the 
>> standard EVMS metrics (it has $0 BCWS, BCWP and ACWP).  The usual 
>> follow-up question is "how do you measure progress then"?  And our answer 
>> is that almost every task with uncosted labor has at least as much costed 
>> labor.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gustaaf
>>
>> On 8/17/21 2:23 PM, Fisher, Wade wrote:
>>> Hi Gustaaf,
>>>
>>> Yes, Carrie also sent a correction on the uncosted labor.  Somehow I 
>>> had gotten it into my mind that the question was about costed 
>>> scientific labor and couldn't turn my brain around after that.
>>> Thanks for trying to get me on the right path, though!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Wade
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Astronomy Michigan State University Biomedical and Physical Sciences 
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>>> -
>>> -
>>> --
>>> *From:* Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:14 PM
>>> *To:* Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen 
>>> <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard 
>>> <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts 
>>> <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
>>> *Subject:* Some notes from CAM interviews - day 1
>>>
>>> Hello Wade,
>>>
>>> Well done.  A few small mistakes listed below.  Two are also 
>>> relevant for Tim and Reinhard, so cc'd.
>>>
>>> -Yes, there is uncosted labor in the 6.8.3 RLS.  Quite a bit.
>>>
>>> -Schedule variance and cost variance are independent!  A schedule 
>>> variance does not create a cost variance and vice-versa: a schedule 
>>> variance refers to work not done (or done ahead of time), whereas a 
>>> cost variance measures the difference in planned vs actual cost for 
>>> *work done only*.
>>>
>>> -The one year delay in the schedule that was already implemented in 
>>> the need-by dates is not COVID-related.  It's due to the "original LS2"
>>> delay.  There is likely to be another delay, that one due to covid.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Gustaaf
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> @Columbia: (212) 854 4527; Nevis virtual phone: (914) 591 2804
>>
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>> gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
>>
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