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[John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>]

OK, I saved a copy of the new version.

On 8/18/21 10:02 AM, Michael Tuts wrote:
> Hi John,
> I checked, you are right I missed that "...U_COST..." resource for Columbia. 
> Hopefully I did not miss others. Fixed that in this version, the rest is the same.
> Cheers, Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:54 AM
> To: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Fisher, 
> Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard 
> <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Cc: Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov
> Subject: RE: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] Some notes from CAM 
> interviews - day 1
>
> Hmmn... interesting... will check
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:52 AM
> To: Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>; Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Fisher, Wade 
> <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard 
> <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Cc: Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov
> Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] Some notes from CAM 
> interviews - day 1
>
>
> No, that is not right.  For example, my L3 effort for FEB2 is included in the 
> RLS (eg. task MGT43200) but it does not appear in your table.
>
>                 John
>
> On 8/18/21 9:35 AM, Michael Tuts wrote:
> > Unless I missed a "...U_COST..." then that is what is in the RLS
> > though
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:06 PM
> > To: Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>; Gustaaf Brooijmans
> > <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim
> > Andeen <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard
> > <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts
> > <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> > Cc: Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov
> > Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] Some notes from CAM
> > interviews - day 1
> >
> >
> > You should be aware that these numbers seem quite inconsistent across L2s, in 
> > particular since some show L2 and L3 management FTEs while others do not.
> >
> >                 John
> >
> > On 8/17/21 6:58 PM, Michael Tuts wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > I made a backup slide for my talk tomorrow regarding scientific (uncosted) labor (based 
> > > on the July IPD file for time phased NSF FTE but filtering on "...U_COST_..." 
> > > resources. The first tab shows it for L2 with a plot, and the second tab shows the 
> > > detail for each WBS L3 with a list of the specific uncosted resources. Maybe this is 
> > > helpful should the issue come up tomorrow - not that I expect it to, but you never know.
> > > Cheers, Mike
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:51 PM
> > > To: Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen
> > > <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard
> > > <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts
> > > <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: Some notes from CAM interviews - day 1
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > So where this is particularly relevant from an EVMS perspective is that since we don't 
> > > pay for scientific labor, it doesn't enter any of the standard EVMS metrics (it has $0 
> > > BCWS, BCWP and ACWP).  The usual follow-up question is "how do you measure 
> > > progress then"?  And our answer is that almost every task with uncosted labor has 
> > > at least as much costed labor.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Gustaaf
> > >
> > > On 8/17/21 2:23 PM, Fisher, Wade wrote:
> > > > Hi Gustaaf,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, Carrie also sent a correction on the uncosted labor.  Somehow I
> > > > had gotten it into my mind that the question was about costed
> > > > scientific labor and couldn't turn my brain around after that.
> > > > Thanks for trying to get me on the right path, though!
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Wade
> > > >
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> > > > *From:* Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:14 PM
> > > > *To:* Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen
> > > > <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard
> > > > <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts
> > > > <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> > > > *Subject:* Some notes from CAM interviews - day 1
> > > >
> > > > Hello Wade,
> > > >
> > > > Well done.  A few small mistakes listed below.  Two are also
> > > > relevant for Tim and Reinhard, so cc'd.
> > > >
> > > > -Yes, there is uncosted labor in the 6.8.3 RLS.  Quite a bit.
> > > >
> > > > -Schedule variance and cost variance are independent!  A schedule
> > > > variance does not create a cost variance and vice-versa: a schedule
> > > > variance refers to work not done (or done ahead of time), whereas a
> > > > cost variance measures the difference in planned vs actual cost for
> > > > *work done only*.
> > > >
> > > > -The one year delay in the schedule that was already implemented in
> > > > the need-by dates is not COVID-related.  It's due to the "original LS2"
> > > > delay.  There is likely to be another delay, that one due to covid.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Gustaaf
> > >
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> > > Gustaaf Brooijmans - Columbia University
> > > @Columbia: (212) 854 4527; Nevis virtual phone: (914) 591 2804
> > >
> > > Als sie mich holten,
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