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[LI YI <li.yi AT sdu.edu.cn>]

Thanks everyone for the comments!

Zhenyu, so we will aim to deliver the one with all devices mounted and
glued to a hard PCB.

Two questions:
1. Is there minimal requirement/procedure for current gluing and what
kind of glue shall be used?
2. Plan for hard PCB:
    a. one PCB with inner and outer glued on two sides just like the
design. We need to work with the company for the position for T-board
connection. Inner and outer need to carefully align with each other so
that we can connect them to T-board.
    b. Two PCB with inner and outer glued on each board. It may give
more flexibility for adjusting alignment ourself for the three parts
(inner, outer, T-board).

Here is a break-down for current time estimations:

1. at least 3 weeks for ordering R, C.
We probably will use the connector pairs Yang Yi sent us. The mainland
agent replied us that this type of connector is pretty new to them and
is not in stock. They need to contact their main company in France
which is still in holiday. So they don't have estimation for
connectors. The connector pairs we had from Yi have been connected and
disconnected many times by now and hopefully it still works.

2. ~3 weeks for mounting devices. We will contact company to mount the 
devices.

Best,
Li


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:39 AM Zhenyu Ye <yezhenyu2003 AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Gerard, all,
>
> Let me summarize the status and plan of the module assembly and tests:
>
> There will be two versions of hybrids, and two versions of mechanical 
> structures (hopefully) by the end of June.
>
> Version A: these are the ones we saw the BNL f2f meeting. Hybrids looked 
> fine and passed the vendor’s tests. The first batch of MS looked bended at 
> the corners. The second batch are expected on May 27. We don’t know how 
> they will look like.
>
> Version B: still being worked on by NCKU and SDU. The design will be close 
> to version A but with modified dimensions so that they match with each 
> other and with the silicon sensors. These could take another 1.5 months.
>
> For the prototype modules, they will be made from version B of hybrids and 
> MS, but they won’t be ready before the end of June, as explained above. In 
> order to have a quick test of hybrids and test cables and training of the 
> student with wire-bonder at UIC, we will start with version A of the 
> hybrids attached on bare PCB, which is what Li and I discussed at the SDU 
> workshop about 1.5 weeks ago and why Li sent the first email early today. I 
> guess there is always a small possibility that things may not work well, 
> but let’s see.
>
> Best,
> Zhenyu
>
>
> > On May 20, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu> wrote:
> >
> > hi Yi,
> >       Thanks that sounds good. Is it impractical to do this for the first 
> > test too? I would think that, A. it is good to prototype that work in 
> > itself, and B. if this is skipped for the first test prototype the wire 
> > bonding might not work well, and if the hybrid seems not to work reliably 
> > we won't know if this might be the reason or if there might be a real 
> > problem. Of course if it does work well then it will have been fine to 
> > skip the more complicated procedure, I grant that.
> >       Sincerely,
> >
> >               Gerard
> >
> >
> > p.s. On a somewhat related note, for the first test prototype is there 
> > any heat conduction from APV chip into the carrier board or something 
> > like that? In the same sort of way if it works without, fine, but if it 
> > does not we don't know if there is a real problem or only a trivial 
> > issue. The APV chip is somewhat temperature-sensitive I believe.
> >
> >
> > On 5/20/2019 8:04 PM, Yi Yang wrote:
> >> Hi Gerard,
> >> Yes, you are right. For the real one, it will be done in a vacuum bad 
> >> with pressure.
> >> The gluing procedure is well established in AIDC and we will provide it 
> >> soon.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Yi
> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> >> Department of Physics
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> >> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:50 PM Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu 
> >> <mailto:gvisser AT indiana.edu>> wrote:
> >>    hi Zhenyu, Li,
> >>             Just to check here: In order to wirebond the APV to hybrid 
> >> it's
> >>    certainly
> >>    necessary to have a solid support under the bod pads. So "glueing" 
> >> has to be
> >>    done in a vacuum bag or press or something, I think. Is the procedure 
> >> for this
> >>    gluing defined? I believe that the IST hybrid to stave was done in a 
> >> vacuum
> >>    bag,
> >>    although I really don't know. You might ask Eric Anderson.
> >>             Gerard
> >>    On 5/20/2019 10:45 AM, Zhenyu Ye wrote:
> >>     > Hi Li,
> >>     >
> >>     > Please glue the hybrid to a bare PCB board, mount devices (R, C,
> >>    connectors) onto the hybrid, and then send it to me. Do you have a 
> >> rough
> >>    time estimate when this can be done?
> >>     >
> >>     > Thanks,
> >>     > Zhenyu
> >>     >
> >>     >> On May 20, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Li YI <li.yi AT sdu.edu.cn
> >>    <mailto:li.yi AT sdu.edu.cn>> wrote:
> >>     >>
> >>     >> Hi Zhenyu,
> >>     >>
> >>     >> As it was discussed, the whole system shall be tested 
> >> electronically
> >>    first. We will attach devices to hybrids and send it to you. Shall 
> >> hybrid be
> >>    glued on a *toy* supporting structure before sending to you so that 
> >> APVs
> >>    will be attached later? Or sending the hybrid with devices attached 
> >> but not
> >>    glued to supporters?
> >>     >>
> >>     >> Thanks,
> >>     >> Li
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