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[Timothy R Andeen <tandeen AT utexas.edu>]

Got it. Thanks Hong. 

On Apr 5, 2023 at 1:44:04 PM, "Ma, Hong" <hma AT bnl.gov> wrote:

Hi Tim and Andy,

 

                On your slide 5, “Difference from MREFC start”

 

For the first column of the table at the bottom:

 

“Total Direct Cost”  “ Base Cost”

 

Direct cost does not include escalation and overhead, and total cost includes contingency.

 

“Base Cost” is the right term for the numbers in that table.

 

This came out of a discussion with the project office.   They will correct the template.

               

                Best,

 

                Hong.

 

From: Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov> on behalf of John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:54 AM
To: Tim Andeen <tandeen AT utexas.edu>
Cc: usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] delay table for L3 talks

Yes, only the 4 "COVID BCPs" are considered as "World Events".

On 4/4/23 5:12 PM, Tim Andeen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Added my slides here: L3-6.4.1 LArFEE CostSched-v1.0.pptx
> <https://indico.bnl.gov/event/18946/contributions/75135/subcontributions/2317/attachments/46865/79431/L3-6.4.1%20LArFEE%20CostSched-v1.0.pptx> (includes drill down). I’m most uncertain about slide 6 and how I distribute risk cost vs world event cost. I say all covid specific BCPs are covid, the rest are risk.
>
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> On Apr 4, 2023 at 12:50:24 PM, John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu
> <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> I looked over the new "cost&schedule" slides, which look good.  I give
>> some comments below.
>>
>> John
>>
>> p. 29 - my look at the contingency tracking spreadsheet suggests the
>> World Events part is only $156k, not $266k; please check.  Actually I
>> see now on p. 30 what the problem is, which is that EAC in 1057b ($78k)
>> is NOT part of World Events but instead is categorized as "Risk"
>>
>> p. 31 - when showing these slides, remind the reviewers that in this
>> period the LHC schedule was delayed by 2 yrs and LS3 was lengthened by
>> 0.5 yrs
>>
>> p. 32 - the treatment of the discrepancy is OK.  However, the "guided
>> drilldown" should include screenshots of the various documents (quotes,
>> BOE, P6 drilldown cost book) showing the exact numbers on your slide 32
>> (even if the numbers among the documents don't exactly all agree).  So
>> you should add a few slides with these screenshots
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/3/23 4:43 PM, Andy Haas wrote:
>>> I just finished a draft... (also uploaded to the agenda):
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MCdLnGynBkoLT498P19bdY7UjZnBHQyhEXkebIMqnug/edit?usp=sharing__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!F-5Ri7VykiSr-vL03xjsvg84DFsjpUQPD-Rl-hxzn7CAYPhUi35ON72QkHmUriVIHDPoRsD6fJ2lcSAGiWuK1knRLyre2K4CVfjR3pCQ6Jz0Gw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MCdLnGynBkoLT498P19bdY7UjZnBHQyhEXkebIMqnug/edit?usp=sharing__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!F-5Ri7VykiSr-vL03xjsvg84DFsjpUQPD-Rl-hxzn7CAYPhUi35ON72QkHmUriVIHDPoRsD6fJ2lcSAGiWuK1knRLyre2K4CVfjR3pCQ6Jz0Gw$>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 2:37 PM John Parsons
>>> <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Tim/Andy, how are you coming with the "cost and schedule" slides?  It
>>> > would be good to have a draft soon so that we can check for
>>> consistency,
>>> > etc.
>>> >
>>> >                  John
>>> >
>>> > On 4/1/23 6:49 PM, Ma, Hong wrote:
>>> >> Hi John,
>>> >>
>>> >>                   Some comments on your L3 slides.
>>> >>
>>> >> Slide 2: docdb for traceability table should be the same as BOE
>>> (24). But somehow your docdb for BOE does not have the traceability
>>> sheet.  Are you updating it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Slide 3:  The left table for cost has truncated numbers, such as
>>> 709,75, it should be 709,759 .
>>> >>
>>> >> Slide 5: “Total Direct Cost”: This should be Total Cost.   Direct
>>> Cost usually means cost before escalation, and overhead.
>>> >>
>>> >>                   Hong.
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l
>>> <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov
>>> <mailto:usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov>> on behalf of
>>> John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu
>>> <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
>>> >> Date: Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 3:59 PM
>>> >> To: usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov
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>>> >> Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] delay table for L3 talks
>>> >>
>>> >> I completed most of the rest of the new Cost&Schedule slides for the
>>> >> FEB2, leaving just the "guided drilldown" to do still.  I updated my
>>> >> slides at
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e=> .
>>> >>
>>> >>                   John
>>> >>
>>> >> On 4/1/23 3:10 PM, John Parsons wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>        As we discussed, I have gone through the various BCPs and
>>> produced
>>> >>> a table summarizing the delays for each L3. I have put this new
>>> table in
>>> >>> the draft of my FEB2 "Cost&Schedule" slides, and uploaded them to
>>> >>> yesterday's Indico
>>> (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e=> ).  The table is
>>> >>> all I have done so far on those new slides so far, and it is on
>>> p. 7 of
>>> >>> those slides; Tim and Andy should put a similar slide with a copy
>>> of the
>>> >>> same table in their L3 Cost&Schedule slides.
>>> >>>        As additional info, here are the milestones I used to
>>> quantify the
>>> >>> delays at L3, and their respective dates currently and at the
>>> start of
>>> >>> the MREFC:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 6.4.1
>>> >>> FEE20940 (Milestone: ADC Production Complete)
>>> >>> Current date: 24-Jun-25
>>> >>> MREFC start date: 9-Jan-24
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 6.4.3
>>> >>> BEE11060 (Milestone: BE Acceptance Test Complete)
>>> >>> Current date: 30-Sep-26
>>> >>> MREFC start date: 3-Jan-25
>>> >>>
>>> >>>        Regards,
>>> >>>            John
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