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[Andy Haas <andy.haas AT nyu.edu>]

OK fixed.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 2:44 PM Ma, Hong <hma AT bnl.gov> wrote:
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> Hi Tim and Andy,
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>                 On your slide 5, “Difference from MREFC start”
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> For the first column of the table at the bottom:
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> “Total Direct Cost”  “ Base Cost”
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> Direct cost does not include escalation and overhead, and total cost 
> includes contingency.
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> “Base Cost” is the right term for the numbers in that table.
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> This came out of a discussion with the project office.   They will correct 
> the template.
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>                 Best,
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>                 Hong.
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> From: Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l 
> <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov> on behalf of John Parsons 
> <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:54 AM
> To: Tim Andeen <tandeen AT utexas.edu>
> Cc: usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov 
> <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] delay table for L3 talks
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> Yes, only the 4 "COVID BCPs" are considered as "World Events".
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> On 4/4/23 5:12 PM, Tim Andeen wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Added my slides here: L3-6.4.1 LArFEE CostSched-v1.0.pptx
> > <https://indico.bnl.gov/event/18946/contributions/75135/subcontributions/2317/attachments/46865/79431/L3-6.4.1%20LArFEE%20CostSched-v1.0.pptx>
> >  (includes drill down). I’m most uncertain about slide 6 and how I 
> > distribute risk cost vs world event cost. I say all covid specific BCPs 
> > are covid, the rest are risk.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
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> >
> > On Apr 4, 2023 at 12:50:24 PM, John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu
> > <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Andy,
> >>
> >> I looked over the new "cost&schedule" slides, which look good.  I give
> >> some comments below.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> p. 29 - my look at the contingency tracking spreadsheet suggests the
> >> World Events part is only $156k, not $266k; please check.  Actually I
> >> see now on p. 30 what the problem is, which is that EAC in 1057b ($78k)
> >> is NOT part of World Events but instead is categorized as "Risk"
> >>
> >> p. 31 - when showing these slides, remind the reviewers that in this
> >> period the LHC schedule was delayed by 2 yrs and LS3 was lengthened by
> >> 0.5 yrs
> >>
> >> p. 32 - the treatment of the discrepancy is OK.  However, the "guided
> >> drilldown" should include screenshots of the various documents (quotes,
> >> BOE, P6 drilldown cost book) showing the exact numbers on your slide 32
> >> (even if the numbers among the documents don't exactly all agree).  So
> >> you should add a few slides with these screenshots
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/3/23 4:43 PM, Andy Haas wrote:
> >>> I just finished a draft... (also uploaded to the agenda):
> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MCdLnGynBkoLT498P19bdY7UjZnBHQyhEXkebIMqnug/edit?usp=sharing__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!F-5Ri7VykiSr-vL03xjsvg84DFsjpUQPD-Rl-hxzn7CAYPhUi35ON72QkHmUriVIHDPoRsD6fJ2lcSAGiWuK1knRLyre2K4CVfjR3pCQ6Jz0Gw$
> >>>  
> >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1MCdLnGynBkoLT498P19bdY7UjZnBHQyhEXkebIMqnug/edit?usp=sharing__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!F-5Ri7VykiSr-vL03xjsvg84DFsjpUQPD-Rl-hxzn7CAYPhUi35ON72QkHmUriVIHDPoRsD6fJ2lcSAGiWuK1knRLyre2K4CVfjR3pCQ6Jz0Gw$>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 2:37 PM John Parsons
> >>> <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Tim/Andy, how are you coming with the "cost and schedule" slides?  It
> >>> > would be good to have a draft soon so that we can check for
> >>> consistency,
> >>> > etc.
> >>> >
> >>> >                  John
> >>> >
> >>> > On 4/1/23 6:49 PM, Ma, Hong wrote:
> >>> >> Hi John,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>                   Some comments on your L3 slides.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Slide 2: docdb for traceability table should be the same as BOE
> >>> (24). But somehow your docdb for BOE does not have the traceability
> >>> sheet.  Are you updating it?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Slide 3:  The left table for cost has truncated numbers, such as
> >>> 709,75, it should be 709,759 .
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Slide 5: “Total Direct Cost”: This should be Total Cost.   Direct
> >>> Cost usually means cost before escalation, and overhead.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>                   Hong.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From: Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l
> >>> <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov
> >>> <mailto:usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov>> on behalf of
> >>> John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu
> >>> <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
> >>> >> Date: Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 3:59 PM
> >>> >> To: usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov
> >>> <mailto:usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> >>> <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov
> >>> <mailto:usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov>>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] delay table for L3 talks
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I completed most of the rest of the new Cost&Schedule slides for the
> >>> >> FEB2, leaving just the "guided drilldown" to do still.  I updated my
> >>> >> slides at
> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e=
> >>>  
> >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e=>
> >>>  .
> >>> >>
> >>> >>                   John
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 4/1/23 3:10 PM, John Parsons wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hi all,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>        As we discussed, I have gone through the various BCPs and
> >>> produced
> >>> >>> a table summarizing the delays for each L3. I have put this new
> >>> table in
> >>> >>> the draft of my FEB2 "Cost&Schedule" slides, and uploaded them to
> >>> >>> yesterday's Indico
> >>> (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e=
> >>>  
> >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_18946_&d=DwIGaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=aMD2R-p5dz8WLlRAEB6IaqgBH_M27wi_yPm4PRXoDuuPfK1rzAT-E8my6iIFZ2En&s=kyEj54lOKuwirimqNXMQxkahVVoysn8lyvo4PBMDvKs&e=>
> >>>  ).  The table is
> >>> >>> all I have done so far on those new slides so far, and it is on
> >>> p. 7 of
> >>> >>> those slides; Tim and Andy should put a similar slide with a copy
> >>> of the
> >>> >>> same table in their L3 Cost&Schedule slides.
> >>> >>>        As additional info, here are the milestones I used to
> >>> quantify the
> >>> >>> delays at L3, and their respective dates currently and at the
> >>> start of
> >>> >>> the MREFC:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 6.4.1
> >>> >>> FEE20940 (Milestone: ADC Production Complete)
> >>> >>> Current date: 24-Jun-25
> >>> >>> MREFC start date: 9-Jan-24
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 6.4.3
> >>> >>> BEE11060 (Milestone: BE Acceptance Test Complete)
> >>> >>> Current date: 30-Sep-26
> >>> >>> MREFC start date: 3-Jan-25
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>        Regards,
> >>> >>>            John
> >>> >>
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