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[Thomas Schwarz <schwarzt AT umich.edu>]

Muons looks good as well.

Tom

On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 4:17 PM John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu> wrote:

For LAr looks OK, and the 3 milestones I showed are indeed reproduced in
the xls.  You should delete the last 2 rows (XCD4001 and XCD4004), since
these were introduced by the PO to try characterize the "endgame" (and
alignment with DOE CD4, ...) but are messed up.

                John

On 3/1/23 9:11 PM, Gustaaf Brooijmans wrote:
>
> Penka extracted Tier 4 and higher milestones to a spreadsheet.  I think we can just post this, but take a look nevertheless.
>
>
>
>
>> On Mar 1, 2023, at 9:03 PM, John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> BTW, wrt Q1, I had a few LAr examples on slide 19 of my L2 talk:
>>
>> ADC FDR 4/21 -->10/22, FEB2 PDR 10/20 -->12/22, SRTM PDR 10/20 -->01/23
>>
>> On 3/1/23 8:59 PM, John Parsons wrote:
>>> I would still suggest an asterisk that says something like "Very close but not identical to cost at MREFC start on 4/1/2020."
>>> On 3/1/23 8:55 PM, Gustaaf Brooijmans wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It’s in the table!
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 1, 2023, at 8:52 PM, John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, that is fine, but it should be made very clear since otherwise the "answer" will only generate more questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/1/23 8:49 PM, Gustaaf Brooijmans wrote:
>>>>>> Of course.  These are not the baseline numbers.  The request is to put “original” base and contingency calculation next to “current”.  We have no contingency simulation for the baseline numbers.
>>>>>>> On Mar 1, 2023, at 8:46 PM, John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same for LAr.  I showed in my L2 talk a baseline cost of 19.22M, which includes up to BCP 1027.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/1/23 8:00 PM, Thomas Schwarz wrote:
>>>>>>>> For the table in q3, the numbers you have as original are the "FDR" numbers, not the baseline.  Is that what you want?  There will be some consistency issues - at least for muons.  Our baseline starts at BCP 1028.
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>> ===================
>>>>>>>> Tom Schwarz
>>>>>>>> Associate Professor
>>>>>>>> Department of Physics
>>>>>>>> University of Michigan
>>>>>>>> Office: 734-764-8941
>>>>>>>> Lab: 734-763-7805
>>>>>>>> schwarzt AT umich.edu <mailto:schwarzt AT umich.edu>
>>>>>>>> ===================
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 1:57 PM Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>      Hi,
>>>>>>>>      I set up a google sheets doc so everybody can edit:
>>>>>>>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pc9McRumCppvOabd6qAar9a6aF741cOPTeVNOuYmd6M/edit?usp=sharing__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!HcxWtBiLR_F2zarA9vkhI4kh3I8cvAubC0ljF9elb5ScOQ6_53IcGjFtRpPW4xP29blI9OditTw8rBd3kyWDcTLOxCr7IwW-ulDsAS3Uqcs62gvXPIfkyg$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pc9McRumCppvOabd6qAar9a6aF741cOPTeVNOuYmd6M/edit?usp=sharing__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!BC6GdmUO_ZA84FfAZ2T2DDE33hHpPT5YDqKUjWMGEgUDEVsFkqVS-xTHgGnKeBk5Obxe0Plc9kAB5Cad9xgmdhTZM4UCLP-YzcTKhQJrpijN-YM5RDy5_g$>
>>>>>>>>      I have answered question 3.  I think Penka was going to work on #1
>>>>>>>>      after Alexei asked his question.  #2 is for Chris and I think
>>>>>>>>      between you and Hal you should be able to answer #4.  Hal has slides
>>>>>>>>      on this from the FDR.
>>>>>>>>      Best,
>>>>>>>>      Gustaaf
>>>>>>>>>      On Mar 1, 2023, at 6:40 PM, Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net
>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:tuts AT pmtuts.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Hi Gustaaf,____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      I can put together something on subaward management.____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Do you have the original breakdown for 3? I have that based on the
>>>>>>>>>      official breakdown as in our original award (I also put the
>>>>>>>>>      breakdown for 1057 that I used in one of my slides), so could also
>>>>>>>>>      do that if it helps.____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Maybe Hal could take what we get from the L2s and flesh out the
>>>>>>>>>      last point on system engineering and interface management? I will
>>>>>>>>>      make the subaward management slide.____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Can ask about the schedule distributions – one thought is that we
>>>>>>>>>      posted Chris’ talk in the management breakout section … maybe they
>>>>>>>>>      looked there and found something?____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Cheers, Mike____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      *From:* Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu
>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
>>>>>>>>>      *Sent:* Wednesday, March 1, 2023 6:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>      *To:* Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net <mailto:tuts AT pmtuts.net>>;
>>>>>>>>>      Meyer, Chris <cjmey AT iu.edu <mailto:cjmey AT iu.edu>>
>>>>>>>>>      *Cc:* us-atlas-hllhc-pmgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov
>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:us-atlas-hllhc-pmgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>;
>>>>>>>>>      usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov
>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>>>>>>>>>      *Subject:* Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] March 1-2
>>>>>>>>>      Director’s Review Homework Questions____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Hi Mike,____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      I can produce the table for item #3 easily.  I’m not sure what #2
>>>>>>>>>      means - I don’t think we showed them graphs for MC schedule
>>>>>>>>>      distributions, so maybe you can ask them what they mean by that?     But I guess Chris can put a few of the PRA output graphs on a few
>>>>>>>>>      slides?____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Best,____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Gustaaf____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      ____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          On Mar 1, 2023, at 6:28 PM, Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:tuts AT pmtuts.net>> wrote:____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          __ __
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Hi All,____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Attached are the homework questions. Most are addressed to the
>>>>>>>>>          PO it looks like. The one area where L2s can contribute is
>>>>>>>>>          part of the last one on system engineering practices and
>>>>>>>>>          interface management – please put together some response for
>>>>>>>>>          that.____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          ____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Thanks, PO____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          ____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          *From:*LeCompte, Tom <lecompte AT slac.stanford.edu
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:lecompte AT slac.stanford.edu>>
>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, March 1, 2023 6:19 PM
>>>>>>>>>          *To:*Michael Tuts <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
>>>>>>>>>          *Cc:*Victor Krabbendam <VKrabbendam AT lsst.org
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:VKrabbendam AT lsst.org>>; Gutta, Rajendra Rao
>>>>>>>>>          <rgutta AT bnl.gov <mailto:rgutta AT bnl.gov>>; Marco Verzocchi
>>>>>>>>>          (marco.verzocchi AT gmail.com <mailto:marco.verzocchi AT gmail.com>)
>>>>>>>>>          <marco.verzocchi AT gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:marco.verzocchi AT gmail.com>>; Sarah Eno <eno AT umd.edu
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:eno AT umd.edu>>; Ted Liu (thliu AT fnal.gov
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:thliu AT fnal.gov>) <thliu AT fnal.gov
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:thliu AT fnal.gov>>; Darin Acosta <dea6 AT rice.edu
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:dea6 AT rice.edu>>; Alexei N. Safonov <safonov AT tamu.edu
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:safonov AT tamu.edu>>; Denisov, Dmitri <denisovd AT bnl.gov
>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:denisovd AT bnl.gov>>
>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*March 1-2 Director’s Review Homework Questions____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          ____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Hi Mike-____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          We have just a handful of questions:____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>            * We would like to see a high-level (say Levels 1 and 2)
>>>>>>>>>              milestone-based  comparison ofthe  original and revised
>>>>>>>>>              schedules.____
>>>>>>>>>            * We saw graphs of the schedule distributions from Monte
>>>>>>>>>              Carlo runs; we would like to see similar graphs for cost____
>>>>>>>>>            * We would like to see a table with four columns - original
>>>>>>>>>              base and contingency and revised base and contingency.
>>>>>>>>>              Rows should be at the the L2 level of detail.____
>>>>>>>>>            * Please prepare a few slides to address Question K, "Is____
>>>>>>>>>            * the project adhering to best practices in systems
>>>>>>>>>              engineering, interface management, and subaward
>>>>>>>>>              management?:____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          This should not sum up to more than a few slides.____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          The expectation is that Management, Cost & Schedule will not
>>>>>>>>>          meet tomorrow, and instead people will join the various
>>>>>>>>>          technical subcommittees. If this is a problem, let me know and
>>>>>>>>>          we can adjust.____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          If you have questions, please email me or call at
>>>>>>>>>          331-803-0446.____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Cheers,____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Tom____
>>>>>>>>>
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